YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE WHAT I JUST LEARNED ABOUT SASCHA RILEY
By Rachel Hurley Updated

I have a confession to make.
Yesterday, when I debunked the Sascha Riley story on Facebook - I did so after not fully listening to all of the recordings.
I admit that I scanned through them, and after listening to a few bits and pieces that seemed unlikely, I made up my mind that the story seemed pretty illogical and got to work writing my piece.
But after seeing some pushback in the comments - particularly this one - I decided to go back and do a deeper dive.
"Rachel Hurley - the glib tone of your "plausible analysis" clearly places your ego, and the high opinion you hold of your own intellect, above the highly credible nature of the 4.5 hours of taped discussion. I listened to the entire set of recordings, and I came away with the belief that this all could have taken place - in spite of your insinuations.
I've held a law license for nearly 40 years and have never been accused of lacking analytical ability."
What I learned was - THOSE DUMMIES ARGUING WITH ME REALLY WASTED MY TIME.
Anyone who believes this ridiculous story with a law degree - should have it revoked because you are stupid.
Let me prove it.
I will only be addressing the first hour of audio - the rest of the interviews are equally as damning - but I'm not trying to write a book here.
First, of all - I did get something wrong yesterday - Sascha's age. I misinterpreted what it was - but as soon as I found their Active Duty Discharge papers, which they posted online, and saw that they were born in 1973 - I was born in 1974 - I realized how OUTLANDISH their entire story is.
The most basic fact-check you can run on any historical claim is timeline verification. Did the people involved actually know each other during the stated period? Were they physically located where the events supposedly happened? Do the ages and dates match up?
Sascha's account fails these tests repeatedly.
Here's the first problem. Sascha claims their trafficking operated through a "Trump-Epstein enterprise" where "Trump was in a position above Epstein" and Epstein "worked for Trump." Their timeframe for this is 1978 to 1986. But Donald Trump told New York Magazine in 2002 that he had known Jeffrey Epstein for "15 years" - meaning they met around 1987. That's a year after Sascha claims their trafficking ended. The Trump-Epstein operation Sascha describes could not have existed during that timeframe because, by Trump's own account, he and Epstein hadn't met yet.
Here's another one. Sascha vividly recalls their parents discussing how to pronounce "Ghislaine's name" in connection with the trafficking operation. But Ghislaine Maxwell lived in England until 1991, working for her father Robert Maxwell's publishing empire. She testified in a 2016 deposition that she met Epstein "at some point in 1991 through a mutual friend." That's five years after Sascha says their trafficking ended. Sascha's parents could not have been discussing her name in connection with an Epstein operation that she wasn't part of yet - even the earliest account of when she met Epstein, from his old business partner Steven Hoffenberg, puts it in the late 1980s.
And then there's Vladimir Putin. Sascha claims they can say "100% sure" that people at 1980s parties in Alabama were discussing Putin, who "may have just been one of the Russian oligarchs." In the 1980s, Putin was an obscure mid-level KGB officer in Leningrad and Moscow, then from 1985 stationed in Dresden, East Germany. He was completely unknown outside Soviet intelligence circles. "Russian oligarchs" as we know them made their fortunes in the 1990s, after the Soviet collapse in 1991. Putin didn't become publicly prominent until 1999. Why would Alabama traffickers be discussing an anonymous KGB bureaucrat?
The geographic problems are just as damaging.
Sascha claims Jim Jordan assaulted them at a farm party when Sascha was around 12 - which by their own dates would be 1985. They describe Jordan as "just graduating high school, maybe first year or two of college." But Jordan graduated high school in 1982. By 1985, he was a junior or senior at the University of Wisconsin, an elite NCAA wrestler with a demanding schedule - he won Division I national championships in both 1985 and 1986. Jordan was a college athlete in Wisconsin, not attending trafficking parties at farms in Alabama.
Sascha claims Andy Biggs beat them until they had broken ribs and were "convulsing, turning blue." They place this after attacking Trump, which they date to "81 to 82… maybe as late as 83." But during 1981 to 1983, Andy Biggs was finishing college at Brigham Young University in Utah (he graduated in 1982) and then in law school at the University of Arizona (he graduated in 1984). After that came work as a small-town lawyer in Hobbs, New Mexico. His entire trajectory during this period was Utah, Arizona, New Mexico. He was nowhere near elite East Coast circles, let alone Alabama trafficking parties.
The Lindsey Graham problem is even more damning when you look at the actual window.
Graham was stationed in Germany as an Air Force JAG officer from 1984 to 1988. Before that, he finished law school in 1981 and served as an Air Force lawyer at Shaw Air Force Base in South Carolina from 1982 to 1984. Sascha claims their trafficking period ran from about 1978 to 1986 or 1987. But by their own account, they were primarily trafficked to "family members" when they were young, with the "parties" starting "around age 10" - which would be 1983.
So the window where Graham was both in the United States and Sascha was allegedly attending these parties is roughly 1983 into 1984. A year or so. And Graham was an Air Force lawyer in South Carolina, not a party regular in Alabama.
Sascha also describes their father's excitement when Clarence Thomas was confirmed to the Supreme Court in 1991, suggesting Thomas was part of this network. But from 1982 to 1990 - covering almost the entire period Sascha claims they were being trafficked - Thomas was the Chairman of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in Washington, DC. A high-profile federal appointee with a documented public schedule. Not someone sneaking off to Alabama farm parties.
The internal contradictions are worse.
Sascha says their encounter with Trump happened when "I lived in Enterprise, Alabama… about 81 to 82, maybe as late as 83." They also say a girl at the encounter "was about my same age, around 12 or 13." But Sascha was born in 1973. In 1981, they would have been 8. In 1982, they would have been 9. In 1983, they would have been 10. Their own ages don't match their own dates.
They characterize Trump as a violent sadist who chokes children unconscious, kills puppies in gruesome ways, and asks to murder people at parties. Yet in the tent stake encounter, this same violent predator supposedly lies face down on his stomach - the most vulnerable position - and passively waits for an 8-10 year old to penetrate him.
OKAY - SINCE THIS MAY BE THE MOST OUTLANDISH PART OF THE ENTIRE STORY - LET'S MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT SASCHA IS SAYING HERE.
They are saying that Trump did not want to have sex with Sascha, he wanted Sascha to be the top - so he lay down on his stomach so that Sascha - at 9 years old - could have sex WITH HIM???
I know this is graphic - but that is what they said.
So, I hate to burst anyone's bubble - but that's not how sex with a child works.
That's like if Kevin Hart was trying to top The Rock.
ANYWAY - They then go on to say that instead of doing the deed with Trump - they put a condom on a tent stick and sodomized him with it which resulted in him having to be airlifted to a hospital.
WHAT?
A lot of y'all have never had anal, and it shows.
If Trump required a Life Flight evacuation for the injuries Sascha describes, there would be records. Hospital documentation. News coverage - Trump was already famous in the early 1980s. Gossip in New York business circles. Something.
That's not an incident that could happen with no one knowing about it.
Look - Sascha claims they attacked Trump, one of the supposed top ringleaders. They were then beaten by 8-10 people at a party. They were then beaten nearly to death by Andy Biggs. And then their dad said "no more" and… it stopped? They went back to normal life? Eventually joined the military?
Throughout the interview, Sascha describes these people as monsters who murder witnesses, make snuff films, torture people to death, and kill "inconvenient" victims. They claim to have witnessed multiple murders. They claim they could identify dozens of wealthy perpetrators including future politicians. They were a massive liability.
And they just let Sascha go home?
That's not how criminal organizations - especially ones that supposedly murder witnesses - handle people who attack their leadership and can identify dozens of members. The outcome contradicts the rules of their own narrative.
There's also the claim that requires zero historical research to check. Sascha says "Jane Goodall was one of the people that worked with me" because social services "reached out to her to make contact with me to see if they could help me" due to "her work with apes."
Jane Goodall was a primatologist who studied chimpanzees in Tanzania - she died in October 2025. She was not a child psychologist. She did not work with traumatized American foster children. Her expertise in animal behavior had nothing to do with child services. This is a bizarre, easily disprovable claim that suggests confabulation.
And their memory patterns are suspicious for a different reason.
Sascha vividly remembers: Andy Biggs's name repeated "50 times" in the car. Jim Jordan's jawline. The pronunciation discussion about "Ghislaine." Trump's specific torture methods. Exact dialogue from decades ago.
But they cannot remember: most of the people who assaulted them. Whether Clarence Thomas or Lindsey Graham actually assaulted them. Details about most encounters. How many times they were filmed.
The vivid details cluster around currently famous Republicans. Everything else is vague. That's consistent with constructing a narrative around public figures rather than genuine traumatic memory.
They name three other victims - Samantha, Patricia, and Sarah. All three are conveniently dead. The "brothel" supposedly had "four or five underage girls." Parties had 25-50 attendees. Where are the other survivors? Why has no one else come forward to corroborate any of this?
I'm not saying traumatic memories aren't complicated. I'm not saying powerful people don't do terrible things. I'm saying that when someone makes claims that can be fact-checked - claims about timelines, locations, and verifiable details - and those claims fail basic verification, that matters.
So MANY PEOPLE WANT this story to be true - that nobody's checking whether the people involved were even in the same country during the stated timeframe.
That's how misinformation works. Not through elaborate conspiracies, but through claims that feel true spreading faster than anyone can verify them.
#ratccriticalthinking
Correction, September 28th, 2026: This essay first said Jane Goodall is a primatologist who studies chimpanzees - she died in October 2025. It also got Andy Biggs’s timeline wrong - he finished Brigham Young in 1982 and got his law degree from the University of Arizona, not Arizona State, in 1984, and I’ve cut the dates I gave for his mission to Japan. And it said Lindsey Graham was finishing law school through 1983 - he graduated in 1981 and was an Air Force lawyer in South Carolina from 1982 to 1984, so the window with Graham runs into 1984.
Update, September 28th, 2026: A few lines now say who says so or add dates - Trump’s own account of when he met Epstein, the late-1980s account of when Maxwell met him, Putin’s KGB postings, and when Russia’s oligarchs got rich. And Sascha Riley uses they/them pronouns.
